Comments on: The Catholic Case Against Rick Santorum http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:40:36 +0000 hourly 1 By: G. morroni http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-1896 G. morroni Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:28:22 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-1896 Please note the above article and all of its Pope and Bishop references are errant in their expression. The Pope has only said it is important t care for the environment. He has said nothing about Global Warming itself and the science. He also used the Environmental comments to shore up that if the environment is important then surely ABORTION is wrong and we must care for the people before the environment. (Smart Pope). The Bishops expression on the economy and immigration is faulty and is BY NO MEANS the expression of the whole Church or the Holy Father. It is their opinion. Read Pope Benedicts book "Jesus of Nazareth." It explains his views perfectly. The bishops remarks are wrong and violate the Church's own teaching on "Subsidiarity" and the Catechism of the Catholic Churches references to the "Responsibility of the Immigrant." Finally, remember that the Church is only infallible on issues of strict morality and theological doctrine. NOT THESE ISUUES. Not all of the Bishops have taken these positions. Please make sure to educate yourselves before accepting these written OPINIONS from "experts." As a teacher/catechist in the Church I know these things because I have the backgroud in Catechetics. John Gehring is completely wrong and off base. He is perverting the truth to meet a political goal the HE has. He does not represent the Catholic Church! Please note the above article and all of its Pope and Bishop references are errant in their expression. The Pope has only said it is important t care for the environment. He has said nothing about Global Warming itself and the science. He also used the Environmental comments to shore up that if the environment is important then surely ABORTION is wrong and we must care for the people before the environment. (Smart Pope). The Bishops expression on the economy and immigration is faulty and is BY NO MEANS the expression of the whole Church or the Holy Father. It is their opinion. Read Pope Benedicts book “Jesus of Nazareth.” It explains his views perfectly. The bishops remarks are wrong and violate the Church’s own teaching on “Subsidiarity” and the Catechism of the Catholic Churches references to the “Responsibility of the Immigrant.” Finally, remember that the Church is only infallible on issues of strict morality and theological doctrine. NOT THESE ISUUES. Not all of the Bishops have taken these positions. Please make sure to educate yourselves before accepting these written OPINIONS from “experts.” As a teacher/catechist in the Church I know these things because I have the backgroud in Catechetics. John Gehring is completely wrong and off base. He is perverting the truth to meet a political goal the HE has. He does not represent the Catholic Church!

]]> By: Lori http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-1740 Lori Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:40:39 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-1740 AMEN Chad! AMEN Chad!

]]> By: Lori http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-1739 Lori Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:38:04 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-1739 I like Santorum even more now. The "inconsistent with Catholic teachings" points brought up by this author are a more historically recent set of views touted by liberal Catholics, including hierarchs. Way to go, Mr. Santorum! Your boldness in standing up to your church is admirable. We're to hold ALL fellow Christians accountable, even the leaders. I like Santorum even more now. The “inconsistent with Catholic teachings” points brought up by this author are a more historically recent set of views touted by liberal Catholics, including hierarchs. Way to go, Mr. Santorum! Your boldness in standing up to your church is admirable. We’re to hold ALL fellow Christians accountable, even the leaders.

]]> By: Jes http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-330 Jes Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:44:22 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-330 Thank you for this article. Rick Santorum is certainly not the standard bearer for my catholic church, which is a church of love, compassion and foregiveness. His rhetoric is so full of hate, distrust and vitriolthat we really need to pray for his soul. Iam, as my church expects, anti-abortion., but at the same time, i see it is my moral responsibility to provide food, shelter and education for these babies that are brought into this world. It seems like Mr. Santorum's only concern is getting them born - then they are on their own. And don't get me started on Newt Gingrich Thank you for this article. Rick Santorum is certainly not the standard bearer for my catholic church, which is a church of love, compassion and foregiveness. His rhetoric is so full of hate, distrust and vitriolthat we really need to pray for his soul. Iam, as my church expects, anti-abortion., but at the same time, i see it is my moral responsibility to provide food, shelter and education for these babies that are brought into this world. It seems like Mr. Santorum’s only concern is getting them born – then they are on their own. And don’t get me started on Newt Gingrich

]]> By: NanookMN http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-321 NanookMN Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:34:49 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-321 I certainly do remember Bernardin's seamless garment.. Thanks for the reference. Perhaps a few will look it up. Nice comment. I certainly do remember Bernardin’s seamless garment.. Thanks for the reference. Perhaps a few will look it up. Nice comment.

]]> By: Opus D. http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-284 Opus D. Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:03:11 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-284 Brother Jason- I'm glad that you hold no prejudice towards Catholics in your heart, but I have sat in church leadership and evangelism conferences or seminars on several occasions that focus on Catholicism being a cult, having dangerous motives, being a pagan religion, etc. Even recently. There is a large "movement church" that teaches regular classes about evangelizing to Catholic family and friends by "exposing the truth" of Catholicism's beliefs. There are CDs and digital message series available online... a few minutes of web search found several. You may not advocate marginalizing (persecuting) Catholics for their beliefs. But denying the existence of such sentiment in today's day and age only helps it to continue. Brother Jason- I’m glad that you hold no prejudice towards Catholics in your heart, but I have sat in church leadership and evangelism conferences or seminars on several occasions that focus on Catholicism being a cult, having dangerous motives, being a pagan religion, etc. Even recently. There is a large “movement church” that teaches regular classes about evangelizing to Catholic family and friends by “exposing the truth” of Catholicism’s beliefs. There are CDs and digital message series available online… a few minutes of web search found several.

You may not advocate marginalizing (persecuting) Catholics for their beliefs. But denying the existence of such sentiment in today’s day and age only helps it to continue.

]]> By: Church boy http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-138 Church boy Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:45:47 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-138 So, after skimming through all the finger pointing going on in the comment, I decided to post a link to a document by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops about what to look for in a political candidate if one is a true Catholic. Yes, I am aware that it is long, but one can get the main points from skimming through it, though it is better to read through the whole thing. http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/upload/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship.pdf So that God my be glorified, I am your humble servant in Christ So, after skimming through all the finger pointing going on in the comment, I decided to post a link to a document by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops about what to look for in a political candidate if one is a true Catholic. Yes, I am aware that it is long, but one can get the main points from skimming through it, though it is better to read through the whole thing.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/upload/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship.pdf

So that God my be glorified, I am your humble servant in Christ

]]> By: Jason Van Bemmel http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-66 Jason Van Bemmel Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:41:10 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-66 Fact: As public spending on poverty relief has increased to hundreds of billions of dollars per year, it has not helped curb abortion. People don't get abortions because they're poor; they do so because they view children as a problem and an obstacle and not a blessing. They also do so because the sexual revolution has taught them that sex is a pleasurable activity to be engaged in as often as possible with no fear of consequences. Fact: As public spending on poverty relief has increased to hundreds of billions of dollars per year, it has not helped curb abortion.

People don’t get abortions because they’re poor; they do so because they view children as a problem and an obstacle and not a blessing. They also do so because the sexual revolution has taught them that sex is a pleasurable activity to be engaged in as often as possible with no fear of consequences.

]]> By: Jason Van Bemmel http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-65 Jason Van Bemmel Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:36:44 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-65 That's a lie and extremely unhelpful. I am an evagelical pastor and I can tell you with certainty that no evangelicals (not even someone as cooky and extremist as Pat Robertson) has ever advocated persecuting Catholics. We see Catholics as allies in the fight for the life of the unborn and the sanctity of marriage. It's also more than a little hypocritical for a Catholic to speak of evanglical Protestants wanting to burn Catholics. Remember "Bloody" Queen Mary of England or the French Huegenots or the Spanish Inquisition? Yet you don't hear any evangelicals saying that Catholics want to repeat these bloody persecutions. We don't need this kind of over-heated, extremist and false rhetoric when the truth is that both Catholics and evangelicals are being heavily persecuted in the world - by Muslims and Communists. That’s a lie and extremely unhelpful. I am an evagelical pastor and I can tell you with certainty that no evangelicals (not even someone as cooky and extremist as Pat Robertson) has ever advocated persecuting Catholics. We see Catholics as allies in the fight for the life of the unborn and the sanctity of marriage.

It’s also more than a little hypocritical for a Catholic to speak of evanglical Protestants wanting to burn Catholics. Remember “Bloody” Queen Mary of England or the French Huegenots or the Spanish Inquisition? Yet you don’t hear any evangelicals saying that Catholics want to repeat these bloody persecutions.

We don’t need this kind of over-heated, extremist and false rhetoric when the truth is that both Catholics and evangelicals are being heavily persecuted in the world – by Muslims and Communists.

]]> By: Sean http://www.fplaction.org/the-catholic-case-against-rick-santorum/#comment-64 Sean Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:24:16 +0000 http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/?p=12027#comment-64 There is a huge difference in between the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion and marriage than its teachings on immigration, poverty, etc. The Catholic Church has certain teachings that are fundamental to the faith and must be followed to be considered fully, especially in the public realm. Abortion and marriage are in this category along with the Church's teaching on the Eucharist and so on. The Church's teachings on the rest of these things in this article are all opinion not teaching that one must agree with to be Catholic. Yes, it is the opinion of very holy men and should carry a lot of weight but it is no way binding in the faith to believe. There is a separation of Church and State for a reason. In an ideal world violence and all these other issues would be not a problem, but instead, the State must step in, and where the Church always cares first about each individual soul, the State must think about the people as a whole first every time. Church and State can work together, but ultimately sometimes the State must implement something that is less than ideal because of the state of the society, as long as it doesn't cross the lines of fundamental doctrine. No man is perfect, including Rick, but in no way is he sinning or offending the Church if he disagrees with a bishop or even a pope on a civil or social matter. The Pope is only infallible at certain times and on matters of faith and morals. It doesn't mean they aren't necessarily right, but it doesn't mean he is necessarily wrong. God bless you Rick and may God bless all of our candidates. There is a huge difference in between the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion and marriage than its teachings on immigration, poverty, etc. The Catholic Church has certain teachings that are fundamental to the faith and must be followed to be considered fully, especially in the public realm. Abortion and marriage are in this category along with the Church’s teaching on the Eucharist and so on. The Church’s teachings on the rest of these things in this article are all opinion not teaching that one must agree with to be Catholic. Yes, it is the opinion of very holy men and should carry a lot of weight but it is no way binding in the faith to believe. There is a separation of Church and State for a reason. In an ideal world violence and all these other issues would be not a problem, but instead, the State must step in, and where the Church always cares first about each individual soul, the State must think about the people as a whole first every time. Church and State can work together, but ultimately sometimes the State must implement something that is less than ideal because of the state of the society, as long as it doesn’t cross the lines of fundamental doctrine.

No man is perfect, including Rick, but in no way is he sinning or offending the Church if he disagrees with a bishop or even a pope on a civil or social matter. The Pope is only infallible at certain times and on matters of faith and morals. It doesn’t mean they aren’t necessarily right, but it doesn’t mean he is necessarily wrong.

God bless you Rick and may God bless all of our candidates.

]]>